During first day we also started discussion on what next with MultiLang. The major issue is that current ML implementation limits to some content areas while more often there is a need to use ML'ed metatada and other stuff. Basic new concept presented by Piotras assumes that we have multiple records for each language for each object. This way, basing on given GUID and language contect we are able to fetch desired object from database.

This started a long, storming disussion because of linkink objects problem, multiple indexes and getting rid of local IDs.

In the evening we had some Chinese food and went to bar for some entertainment.

Today we discuessed two more items from agenda: UI changes and Datamanager refactoring. First was about adopting Bespin and/or Ubiquity features to make UI and Admin UI more human language oriented. As it was expected, another hot discussion raised because of different approaches to UI matter presente by many attendees. I prefer approach that we don't surprise end users with nifty gadgets that they are not prepared for. End users tend to expect from web application similar functionality and visual presence as they get from their OS. Besides, no matter how innovative both are, they seem to be limited to Mozilla/Firefox. Anyway we agreed that it may be a worth watching and thinking while both projects get into mature state so that we are not left behind.

Second subject was pretty easy, we all love&hate Datamanager same time. While it facilitates form and data operations, it is also limited by desgin and sometimes brings problems. The main ideas is to refactor DM to rely only on MgdSchema objects and let developer decide what to do with particular fields during runtime. Talking about DM relation to MdgSchema we couldn't miss MgdSchema inheritance which is basically about extending f.ex. midgard_article with solt_article object and benefit directly from midgard_article features and be able to add some more specific functionality designed by developer.

Somewhere around noon most of Finish team had to leave for a ferry back to Finland. We left only four of us: Smallone, Bergie, Piotras and myslef. I took the chance to bug Bergie about running MidCOM 3 aka Midgard MVC on Ragnaroek and started porting this site to Midgard MVC platform.

And of course, yo ucan find some more photos here.